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TravisF  
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 More options Jun 29 2007, 11:57 am
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From: TravisF <tdqh1...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:57:28 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 29 2007 11:57 am
Subject: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
Hello again;
Continuing the new sbs 03 server saga.
 A couple of questions for any experts out there.

I've configured folder redirection thru the wizard on the sbs 03
server. Tested  and it works great!
And I just followed the wizard.

1. What if I wanted to allow only some people to have this done? Cause
the wizard seems to have a global effect - its turned on for everyone.
I would guess that I would have to create and use a gpo?

2. Bigger question. I am in a small office of only 15 or 20 users.
Some people log onto other's pcs once in a while. Well as I understand
it, when they log into another pc, their "my documents" will be
redirected again. Won't that overwrite the "my documents from their
own pc? Since it was redirected as well.  How can I make it so ONLY
"my documents" from their OWN pc is redirected regardless of where
else they may log in?

I still need for them to be able to logon to another pc besides their
own.

Thanks;
Travis


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Matt Setters  
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 More options Jun 29 2007, 12:24 pm
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From: "Matt Setters" <mattsett...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:24:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
i do believe you could then go into the SBS Redirection GPO and changed the
authenticated users panel i think its called that anyhow its the bit with
the users and groups in it what i did was deleted that and added each user
or required group to it and it applied as i wanted it to

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Les Connor [SBS MVP]  
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 More options Jun 29 2007, 12:48 pm
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From: "Les Connor [SBS MVP]" <les.con...@DEL.cfive.ca>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:48:43 -0500
Local: Fri, Jun 29 2007 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
I generally create a security group like "Folder Redirection Enabled" and
limit the redirection GPO to members of this group.

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 More options Jun 29 2007, 12:58 pm
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From: "Matt Setters" <mattsett...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:58:59 +0100
Local: Fri, Jun 29 2007 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
Les you have summed up what i ment in a single sentance thanks

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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]  
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 More options Jun 29 2007, 12:54 pm
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From: "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:54:41 -0400
Local: Fri, Jun 29 2007 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent

Why would you not want all users to make use of folder redirection? This is
a must, in my book - at the very least for My Documents.

I generally set this up in my own custom Companyname Desktop Policy - and I
do not enable offline file use. I don't use the default/built in GPO for
this.

If you have laptops, you can allow them to use offline files - but they
should still use folder redirection. Without that, you have no way to ensure
that all company data goes on the server where it belongs.


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TravisF  
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 More options Jun 29 2007, 4:38 pm
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:38:32 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 29 2007 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
On Jun 29, 12:54 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

Well I've been playin around with it all day.
Doesn't seem to be an issue really.
The "my doc" doesn't "overwrite" the other on the server if you logon
to a different pc like I thought it might. It just "adds to it"
As well someone mentioned in another post that its a security risk on
the pc. That doesn't seem to be the case either.
If userB logs on after userA, userB does not see  a "my doc" under
\docs and settings belonging to userA - even if he's (userB)
administrator.
So it must cache it elsewhere and encrypt it? I did not use efs.
Logged in as userB , I searched (even hidden files) and I can find
files belonging to userA which I know where there. This is a good
thing.

You guys mentioned offline file use. I don't see how they are
separated with the use of folder redir - an sbs 03 anyway.
I'm using offline with redir because , well if the server goes down,
they wouldn't even know it - for "my doc" use anyway.
Comments welcomed.
Thanks
Travis


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Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]  
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 More options Jun 29 2007, 4:59 pm
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From: "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdib...@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:59:14 -0400
Local: Fri, Jun 29 2007 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
Personally, I like the sync option.  I've tested this with a recently
created document, and verified that if the server (network, whatever) goes
down shortly after I've created or edited a document, my changes are
reflected in the offline cache.  A few people have had trouble with offline
files, but I've found it to be generally reliable.  While acknowledging the
views of those who disagree, I think the pros well outweigh the cons on
this.

The one negative is the all-or-nothing aspect.  We have several shared
laptops in our conference rooms, and everyone's redirected documents end up
cached on those.  You're right that the users can't see each other's cached
documents, so I don't really view it as a security or privacy risk, but the
drive space issue still applies.  You're right that you can encrypt the
offline files.  Open Windows Explorer and go to Tools -> Folder Options ->
Offline Files and check the box.

The cached files are in a super-secret hidden folder, c:\windows\csc, and
they're not in the native file formats so you can't read them easily.  Since
the system controls these (you access them through that page in Explorer
that I mentioned earlier), only the Administrators group has any rights on
that folder at all.

IMO the one answer to both the question of why would you not want to
redirect a given user's documents, and why would you not want to sync, is
when you get a user with a ton of data.  For example, I've got someone with
about 15 GB in his My Docs.  I don't redirect him because he's against it
(and backs up his data very well without involving me), and I don't want to
have to deal with potential issues.  I know redirection will work fine with
15 GB of data, but I've got my doubts about sync.

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 More options Jun 30 2007, 10:16 am
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From: TravisF <tdqh1...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:16:42 -0700
Local: Sat, Jun 30 2007 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
On Jun 29, 4:59 pm, "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]"

Aha ! yes that makes more sense now. Thanks! and it rings a bell about
\csc folder - I remember something about that now.
So it seems that even if userB is local admin he can't see userA's
locally cached files. And so it should work that way as well - I just
needed to verify it.
What I've done so far is simply used sbs 03's folder redirection
wizard for my docs and it works fine.
Too bad there's not a way in there to limit how that's done i.e ONLY
have userA redirect his \docs and setting on his OWN pc when he logs
in. So if he logs in somewhere else, his \docs and setting are NOT
redirected unless he wants it that way. Of course most of the time the
user will be using his own pc anyway. I guess I could play around with
a fancy gpo. But its probably not worth it.
So its not a big deal either way. I just wanted to make absolutely
sure that if he did logon to the 2nd pc, then his servers' \doc and
settings were not overwritten or affected by the 2nd pcs \docs and
setting - it would be pretty stupid if that were the case I guess!
cause when he logged back onto his own pc, the whole thing would have
to start over!

So you think that a large "my docs" (u mentioned 15gb) might be
troublesome with syncing?
Hmmm I have some people that might be the same. I wonder is there a
recommended limit of sorts? I should check I guess. Thanks again!

Travis


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Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]  
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 More options Jun 30 2007, 4:13 pm
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From: "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdib...@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:13:09 -0400
Local: Sat, Jun 30 2007 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
If you want to research how to get GPOs to apply only on certain computers,
that's not something I've ever played with, but the term is "loopback
processing."  That should give you a starting point if nothing else.

On the 15 GB topic, I just think there are often problems moving that volume
of data around.  It seems like you'd be inviting trouble - for example,
offline file limits don't apply to folders that are synched administratively
(as opposed to by a user-initiated setting).  So what happens if the guy
with 15 GB of data logs in at a PC with 12 GB of free space?  And how long
is it going to take to sync that volume of data, even assuming plenty of
free space?

It's nothing I've ever tried, so I'm not sure there would be any problem at
all, but  I can see a lot of potential issues that call for caution.

BTW, I'm not sure I worded my last post correctly.  If user b is a local
admin, he can see user a's cached files in the regular View Files interface
from Folder Options -> Offline Files.

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Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]  
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 More options Jun 30 2007, 4:15 pm
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From: "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdib...@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:15:48 -0400
Local: Sat, Jun 30 2007 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: Redirecting folders for some and how to prevent
I'm half asleep and I forgot my glasses.  Anyway, I just woke up to the fact
that we've got two conversations going on this topic. See my post in the
other thread about local admins being able to see everyone's cached files.
Short answer - as Les said, admins can see everything.

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