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From: theo.c...@gmail.com
Date: 8 Dec 2005 21:08:48 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 12:08 am
Subject: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
I have a 1990 Honda Civic Wagon, 2WD, 5-speed manual transmission.
Currently I am getting around 26mpg (9l/100km) city, and 29mpg (8.1k/100km) highway on a good day. This seems somewhat poor to me, so I am wondering a) if these figures are in the normal range for a car of this model year and age b) what I can do to improve fuel economy? I've checked the air filter and it seems clean, the gas cap and tank I know this question gets asked from time to time, but was wondering if Thanks! You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: theo.c...@gmail.com
Date: 8 Dec 2005 21:15:36 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 12:15 am
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
Also the timing belt is new, the warm idle is around 1100rpm, and I
usually shift somewhat early around 2750rpm. Average highway cruising speed is about 118km/h or 73mph. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: High Tech Misfit <m...@privacy.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:52:39 -0500
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 7:52 am
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
EPA estimates for your car were 31 city/34 highway. Here's a partial
checklist: I read your second post, and you might want to try reducing your speed a Assuming 32psi is the Honda-specified pressure for your tires, are they How are the spark plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor? Are they OEM? Is the weather becoming colder in your area? Cold temperatures will You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Bozo <s...@spamme.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:09:14 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
>>I have a 1990 Honda Civic Wagon, 2WD, 5-speed manual transmission. Now being a smart ass as I often am, the op has a European spec car and >>Currently I am getting around 26mpg (9l/100km) city, and 29mpg >>(8.1k/100km) highway on a good day. This seems somewhat poor to me, so >>I am wondering > EPA estimates for your car were 31 city/34 highway. Here's a partial > checklist: is therefore probably using miles per gal (UK) and the EPA is using mpg (US). (I did not convert back from his 9l/100km to check this assumption) A UK gal is about 1.2 US gals, so 31/1.2 = 25.9 so 25.9 to 26 seems pretty close to me. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: High Tech Misfit <m...@privacy.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:46:07 -0500
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
Bozo wrote: Actually, the OP is in Canada and converted his litres/100km to miles per > Now being a smart ass as I often am, the op has a European spec car and > is therefore probably using miles per gal (UK) and the EPA is using > mpg (US). U.S. gallons. For his city mileage: 100km / 9.1 l And the OP said 26mpg. I'll leave the highway mileage conversion up to you. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "Elle" <honda.lion...@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:59:39 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 11:59 am
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
How many miles are on this car?
I'm pretty sure your 90 Civic Wagon has the same engine Try some of the tips at If the PCV valve has never been changed before, I'd pay Next, I echo what High Tech Misfit said about the plugs, Then I'd start replacing/checking the other things I list at Do not coast on hills. Keep the car in gear. The engine See your owner's manual for the optimal shift points, though You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: theo.c...@gmail.com
Date: 9 Dec 2005 17:32:26 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
I am in Ottawa, Canada, and it is a Japanese manufactured Civic (based
on the VIN). What makes you say it is a european spec car? My conversions were also to US mpg. Although the weather is becoming colder here, those figures are about The car, I'm pretty sure, has a 1.5L D15B2 engine in it. The mileage on Thanks again for all of your advice. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: jim beam <nos...@example.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:24:06 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
theo.c...@gmail.com wrote: that's not cause for concern. > I am in Ottawa, Canada, and it is a Japanese manufactured Civic (based > on the VIN). What makes you say it is a european spec car? My > conversions were also to US mpg. > Although the weather is becoming colder here, those figures are about > The car, I'm pretty sure, has a 1.5L D15B2 engine in it. The mileage on > The spark plugs, wires, is the sensor oem? aftermarket ones can be terrible. oem have fast > fuel filter, air pilter, pcv valve, distributor cap, and distributor > rotor were all changed at 205,000km; the spark plugs changed again > (NGKs) at 250,000km along with the oxygen sensor. reaction times and produce much better performance. > Perhaps it's time to other things to check: > start looking at some of those in more detail (if so, which?). The > coolant system just had a flush as well. > Thanks again for all of your advice. 1. check or replace the coolant sensor. if it's not sending accurate 2. be certain the ignition system is ok. apart from ensuring all the 3. ensure the injection system is ok. run injector cleaner through the 4. ensure the cam timing is correct. if the belt has jumped a tooth, You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Bozo <s...@spamme.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:49:46 GMT
Local: Sat, Dec 10 2005 4:49 am
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
jim beam wrote: Dangerous things assumptions - If you VIN starts JH it is a Japan built > theo.c...@gmail.com wrote: >> I am in Ottawa, Canada, and it is a Japanese manufactured Civic (based car. For your interest it would have been made in Suzuka, and you can even see a fuzzy image of the plant on Google earth !!! I think it's at The Honda plant in Marysville is at Just cut and paste into the google earth search window. but based on my current track record - who knows? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "Elle" <honda.lion...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:07:39 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: 1990 civic wagon fuel economy
<theo.c...@gmail.com> wrote
> Although the weather is becoming colder here, those The coolant flush you mention below makes me suspicious. Did figures are about > normal through the summer and the fall; as it gets further into winter > here, I usually see my mileage drop by an additional 1-2mpg. I keep the > car in gear all the time and never coast. > The car, I'm pretty sure, has a 1.5L D15B2 engine in it. you do it or a shop? (Just kinda curious on that one.) Check the coolant level per the owner's manual, and do an air purge of the system. This time of year, it's going to take a while to get the radiator fan to come on twice during the purge, like at least 35 minutes, so have a magazine. Post if you want more info on what coolant to add, where to find a procedure for the purge, etc. The cooling system supplies coolant to some engine control components. If they're not properly submerged, they'll malfunction and, ISTM, may affect mileage. I know you said the air filter looks okay, but it is due for Do you have a maintenance schedule for this car? It's in the Were all the new parts you list above OEM? Add a bottle of a fuel injector cleaner to the gas tank, per Does the power (that is, acceleration) seem okay? > the spark plugs changed again Well it's not good if it doesn't fix the problem. I > (NGKs) at 250,000km along with the oxygen sensor. Perhaps it's time to > start looking at some of those in more detail (if so, which?). The > coolant system just had a flush as well. > Thanks again for all of your advice. appreciate your thoroughness, as others learn from it. Keep the group updated, and keep checking back. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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