hi, i'm looking for small-group (quartet or so) recordings of Scott LaFaro playing with Ornette. I already have 'Art of the Improvisers', and recently picked up 'Twins', but are the two tunes from these records all there is?
: This will take some digging, but if you can find the Quartet : album named *Ornette!*, I'll excuse you while you kiss the sky. The : group is Ornette, Don Cherry, Scotty, and Ed Blackwell. I just found a : copy in a Northampton bookstore's cutout bin for $3.99. The virtuosity : of Scotty's ears and hands is astounding. The song titles are all : initials, and there's no indication of what they mean.
>hi, i'm looking for small-group (quartet or so) recordings of Scott LaFaro >playing with Ornette.
In article <53fo1l...@nadine.teleport.com>, skips...@teleport.com (Wayne
"Skip" Elliott Bowman) wrote: >: [Ornette!] >: of Scotty's ears and hands is astounding. The song titles are all >: initials, and there's no indication of what they mean.
They're titles (in English) of works by Freud:
WRU = Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious (not "With Relation to the Unconscious", as is incorrectly stated in the notes to Beauty). In the Standard Edition this is translated as "Jokes and their Relation to the Unconscious".
T&T = Totem and Taboo
C&D = Civilization and its Discontents
RPDD = The Relation of the Poet to Day-Dreaming. In the SE this is translated as "Creative Writers and Day-Dreaming".
The first three are among Freud's more popular books, the fourth is a somewhat obscure article.
Along with Ornette! and the two outtakes from the same session previously issued on Twins and Art Of The Improvisers, there's one more outtake. As far as as small group recordings go, that's it (LaFaro is also on double-4tet Free Jazz and "First Take"). The whole set, and everything else Ornette recorded for Atlantic, is on the Atlantic/Rhino box Beauty Is A Rare Thing.
In <53fo1l...@nadine.teleport.com> skips...@teleport.com (Wayne "Skip"
Elliott Bowman) writes:
>: This will take some digging, but if you can find the Quartet >:album named *Ornette!* (snip) >: The song titles are all initials, and there's no indication of what >:they mean.
This was always a mystery to me, but the answers are revealed in the boxed set: W.R.U. = With Relation to the Unconscious T. & T. = Totem and Taboo C. & D. = Civilization and its Discontents R.P.D.D. = Relation of the Poet to Day Dreaming jack
>hi, i'm looking for small-group (quartet or so) recordings of Scott >LaFaro playing with Ornette. I already have 'Art of the Improvisers', >and recently picked up 'Twins', but are the two tunes from these >records all there is?
Definitely not. LaFaro made several record dates with Ornette, beginning with "Free Jazz" in December, 1960. He recorded with the quartet in January and March, 1961 as well, the music released on "Ornette!" and "Ornette on Tenor", plus the compilations "Art of the Improvisers" and "Twins". I believe "Ornette!" is only available on the boxed set of his complete Atlantic sides, but "Ornette on Tenor" is available singly. Btw, "Ornette! was the first LP I ever owned by Coleman, and it remains a personal favorite. jack
In article <rshapiro-0910960757320...@ipa.bbn.com>, rshap...@bbn.com (R
Shapiro) wrote: > Along with Ornette! and the two outtakes from the same session previously > issued on Twins and Art Of The Improvisers, there's one more outtake. As > far as as small group recordings go, that's it (LaFaro is also on > double-4tet Free Jazz and "First Take"). The whole set, and everything > else Ornette recorded for Atlantic, is on the Atlantic/Rhino box Beauty Is > A Rare Thing.
And this includes, does it not, the Gunther Schuller session that was released as Jazz Abstractions (SD1365). Not a small group perhaps, but it does include Ornette and Scott. They both appear on Variations on a Theme by Thelonius Monk (Criss-Cross).
>On Oct 09, 1996 13:39:45 in article <Re: Ornette and LaFaro>, >'ste...@ix.netcom.com(Jack Woker)' wrote:
>>LaFaro made several record dates with Ornette, >>beginning with "Free Jazz" in December, 1960. He recorded with the >>quartet in January and March, 1961 as well, the music released on >>"Ornette!" and "Ornette on Tenor", plus the compilations "Art of the >>Improvisers" and "Twins". I believe "Ornette!" is only available on >>the boxed set of his complete Atlantic sides, but "Ornette on Tenor" >>is available singly.
>The bassist on "Ornette 'N Tenor" is Jimmy Garrison. Only the January >'61 session - "Ornette" and equivalents - and the December '60 session >that produced "Free Jazz" and "First Take" feature LaFaro. >Ed Rhodes
Thanks, Ed - my carelessness in reading the discography caused this gaff! jack
On Oct 09, 1996 13:39:45 in article <Re: Ornette and LaFaro>,
'ste...@ix.netcom.com(Jack Woker)' wrote: >LaFaro made several record dates with Ornette, >beginning with "Free Jazz" in December, 1960. He recorded with the >quartet in January and March, 1961 as well, the music released on >"Ornette!" and "Ornette on Tenor", plus the compilations "Art of the >Improvisers" and "Twins". I believe "Ornette!" is only available on >the boxed set of his complete Atlantic sides, but "Ornette on Tenor" is >available singly.
The bassist on "Ornette 'N Tenor" is Jimmy Garrison. Only the January '61 session - "Ornette" and equivalents - and the December '60 session that produced "Free Jazz" and "First Take" feature LaFaro.
Nathan Barss (nba...@haverford.edu) wrote: > hi, i'm looking for small-group (quartet or so) recordings of Scott LaFaro > playing with Ornette. I already have 'Art of the Improvisers', and > recently picked up 'Twins', but are the two tunes from these records all > there is? > Thanks > Nathan Barss > nba...@haverford.edu
If you have web access, you can check this discography on the Harmolodic web site:
Nathan Barss (nba...@haverford.edu) wrote: > hi, i'm looking for small-group (quartet or so) recordings of Scott LaFaro > playing with Ornette. I already have 'Art of the Improvisers', and > recently picked up 'Twins', but are the two tunes from these records all > there is?
There is only one issued quartet session by Ornette with LaFaro on bass. It is dated January 31, 1961. Seven tunes were mastered at the session. Four were issued on the album "Ornette!" (Atlantic 1378). This is the original issue. You have two subsequently released titles. The seventh is only available on the Atlantic boxed set of cd's, "Beauty Is A Rare Thing".
LaFaro is also present on the December 21, 1960 double quartet session that produced "Free Jazz" (from the album of the same name, Atlantic 1364) and "First Take", which is on "Twins".
As far as I know, that's all there is. Everything is on the boxed set.
> > hi, i'm looking for small-group (quartet or so) recordings of Scott > LaFaro > > playing with Ornette. I already have 'Art of the Improvisers', and > > recently picked up 'Twins', but are the two tunes from these records all > > there is?
> There is only one issued quartet session by Ornette with LaFaro on bass. > It is dated January 31, 1961. Seven tunes were mastered at the session. > Four were issued on the album "Ornette!" (Atlantic 1378). This is the > original issue. You have two subsequently released titles. The seventh is > only available on the Atlantic boxed set of cd's, "Beauty Is A Rare Thing".
> LaFaro is also present on the December 21, 1960 double quartet session that > produced "Free Jazz" (from the album of the same name, Atlantic 1364) and > "First Take", which is on "Twins".
> As far as I know, that's all there is. Everything is on the boxed set.
> Ed Rhodes
My memory may be a little fuzzy on this (I sold the LP years ago), but here goes: there was an Atlantic LP called "Jazz Abstractions." It was put out at the "height" of the third-stream movement, and would probably be filed under Gunther Schuller's name. There were three or four different combinations of musicians. Jim Hall was on it, Eric Dolphy, Ornette, and Scott LaFaro too. I don't remember if Ornette and LaFaro played together, tho.
In article <3277B372.3...@ibm.net>, Michael Zlotnick <zlot...@ibm.net> wrote: >> looking for small-group (quartet or so) recordings of Scott >> LaFaro playing with Ornette. >here goes: there was an Atlantic LP called "Jazz Abstractions." >... >There were three or four >different combinations of musicians. Jim Hall was on it, Eric Dolphy, >Ornette, and Scott LaFaro too.
Good memory :) There are indeed a couple of tracks which include both Coleman and LaFaro, and while they don't quite qualify as "quartet or so", they are at least worth a mention, especially since the rest of us who responded to the original post completely forgot about this record...
>would probably be filed under Gunther Schuller's name.
John Lewis, actually, as in "John Lewis presents ...". But the pieces are composed by Schuller for the most part, plus one by Jim Hall. All in all, a classic of the short-lived third stream movement.
Michael Zlotnick <zlot...@ibm.net> wrote: > My memory may be a little fuzzy on this (I sold the LP years ago), but > here goes: there was an Atlantic LP called "Jazz Abstractions." It was > put out at the "height" of the third-stream movement, and would probably > be filed under Gunther Schuller's name. There were three or four > different combinations of musicians. Jim Hall was on it, Eric Dolphy, > Ornette, and Scott LaFaro too. I don't remember if Ornette and LaFaro > played together, tho.
I bought it first time round, and it remains a firm favourite of mine. The cover reads "John Lewis presents Contemporary Music: Jazz Abstractions" and on the reverse "Jazz Abstractions composed by Gunther Schuller and Jim Hall", so you would be as likely to find it filed under John Lewis' name as anywhere! Coleman and LaFaro play together on both the title track and Monk's 'Criss-Cross', which takes up the whole of the second side.
On Oct 30, 1996 11:58:42 in article <Re: Ornette and LaFaro>, 'Michael
Zlotnick <zlot...@ibm.net>' wrote: >My memory may be a little fuzzy on this (I sold the LP years ago), but >here goes: there was an Atlantic LP called "Jazz Abstractions." It was >put out at the "height" of the third-stream movement, and would probably >be filed under Gunther Schuller's name. There were three or four >different combinations of musicians. Jim Hall was on it, Eric Dolphy, >Ornette, and Scott LaFaro too. I don't remember if Ornette and LaFaro >played together, tho.
They do and I was in error, although I thought that the original request was for quartet material. LaFaro alone or LaFaro and George Duvivier are the bassists on all selections on which Ornette plays. LaFaro's out front duet is with Eric Dolphy.
Michael Zlotnick wrote: > My memory may be a little fuzzy on this (I sold the LP years ago), but > here goes: there was an Atlantic LP called "Jazz Abstractions." It was > put out at the "height" of the third-stream movement, and would probably > be filed under Gunther Schuller's name. There were three or four > different combinations of musicians. Jim Hall was on it, Eric Dolphy, > Ornette, and Scott LaFaro too. I don't remember if Ornette and LaFaro > played together, tho.
Some, at least, of this album is included in Ornette's Atlantic box set.
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